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Chandra Swami visited France
during the summer of 1998. A seven day retreat was organised
by his French devotees at a Center near Lyon, and around 220
- 250 people attended. For the last 13 years, Chandra Swami
has been in complete silence. During the retreat, he gave
written responses to all questions that were asked. A very
close devotee of his, Yvan Amar, translated Swamiji's
English written responses into French for the public.
Part of Swamiji's daily routine is to go for a walk after
morning meditation and before breakfast. On the first day of
the retreat, we all set off on schedule at 6:00 A.M.
Everybody was walking as fast as they could to keep up with
Swamiji's very brisk pace. He took everyone all over the
beautiful surrounding fields, hills and forests for almost
three hours! The next few days, he must have been reminded
that breakfast was to be served at 6:45 A.M. at the Center.
Thus, for the remainder of the time, morning walks took
place in the nearby woods, in a circle.
Question : What is the role of the Guru in the life of a
seeker and need the Guru be in physical form?
Chandra Swami : The role of the Guru in the life of a Seeker
is to bring the Seeker face to face to his / her essential
nature, face to face to his / her divinity. Is the Seeker in
a physical form or not? If the Seeker is in a physical form,
he or she does need a Guru in the physical form.
Q : When you think of yourself, or when you say 'I', what
concept do you have of yourself? What does this 'I' refer
to?
CS : I don't think of myself. I don't need to think of
myself. You think of yourself till you have not seen
yourself directly. When I say 'I' , the word 'I' is not used
as a concept. I use the word 'I' according to the given
situation or a context. When the context is the physical
body, I use 'I' for the physical body. When the context is
the soul, I use the word 'I' for a soul. And when the
context is the spirit, the pure consciousness, I use the
word for the infinite, timeless consciousness.
Q : Why did you decide or choose to go into silence? Does
silence have a role in your teaching?
CS : I started observing silence about 45 years ago. I
wanted to listen to the voice of God. When you want to
listen you have to be silent. Then slowly and gradually I
was taken up by the silence. I fell in love with silence.
The silence is motiveless. The more you become motiveless,
the more you are drawn into silence. Silence implies
desirelessness. Silence implies the choiceless awareness. It
implies the emptiness and fullness at the same time. It is
the source of all that exists. Silence has no role at
all.
Q : Several days ago, you gave the following answer to
someone : "The seeker of God must call the Divine to realise
Him." What do you mean by 'call'? What is the difference
between the seeker and the Divine?
CS : A child is playing with the toys, playing and playing.
But a time comes when the child throws away the toys and
calls the Mother. It cannot forget its Mother all the time.
The seeker calls the Divine as a child calls its Mother.
When that call is sincere and deepest, the Mother comes to
the child and takes it in her lap. The Seeker of God is not
satisfied with the definitions of God. She / He wants to
realise God, immediately and directly. That inmost urge of
the Seeker to realise the Divine is what is called the call.
It can express itself in so many forms. Essentially there is
no difference between the Seeker and the Divine. You don't
seek which is not in conformity with you. The Seeker is
seeking itself. The Seeker is the traveller and the Seeker
is the Destination.
Q : Just before we came to se you, a friend was going
through a crisis. Intellectually, she knew she should
surrender and let things be, but her emotions were going in
another direction and prevented her from letting go. So, the
question is : how to reconciliate reason and emotions /
feelings?
CS : You can reconciliate reason and emotions when you are
above them. So long as you are identified with reason or
identified with emotion, you cannot reconcile them. The
intellect is only a part of your personality. And any
understanding which is confined only to the intellect does
not transform the life of a person. All the parts of the
personality have to be purified and enlightened. And it
needs an integral approach of Sadhana, in which all the
parts of personality are touched. The integral approach
includes meditation, devotion, prayer, reflection, selfless
service and some breathing exercises.
Q : What does it mean to live the Truth? Does one need to
qualify oneself in any manner to realise the Truth? Are
there external regulations that need to be observed?
CS : To live the Truth is only possible after the
realisation of the Truth. To live the Truth there must be
integrity and consistency in your words, actions, thoughts
and in intuition. Yes, there are qualifications for
realising the Truth. To sum up, it can be said that only a
person whose mind is silent and whose heart is pure and full
of selfless love can realise the Truth. But to make the mind
silent and the heart pure one has to undertake some path of
sadhana which suits one's temperament and which one has the
capacity to follow. The body, the mind, the reason, the
heart, the vital energy - all these have to be tamed. You
may read the book, 'The Practical Approach to
Divinity' or some other book to know the external and
internal discipline which is needed to realise the
Truth.
Q : What are the main obstructions to living the Truth?
CS : The main obstacles in the path of realisation of the
Truth and to living the Truth are attachment and the
ego.
Q : What is meditation? Is it a technique to accomplish
something? If so what?
CS : Meditation can be described as an art of seeing without
the interference of one's conditioned mind. Many methods are
used to develop such seeing. This seeing enables the Seeker
of Truth to see the Truth as it is in itself, to realise the
essential nature of Consciousness which is divine, infinite
and unconditioned by time, space and causality. Through
meditation one does not accomplish anything new. Through
meditation one only discovers one's essential Being, one's
essential and true center.
Q : What do you see when you look at us? And the world?
CS : When I look at the world, I feel it as the Divine
playing the game of hide and seek with Himself. When I see
you, I see the Divine playing the role of a correspondent of
a magazine.
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